(...an ongoing discussion.)
Tue 5/18/2010 10:15 PM
Thanks for your response.
If it is as you say, then we
need to bring Treason charges against every member of Congress,
because Article 1, Section 10, Clause 1 states: "No State shall...make
any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts...".
Due to this RESTRICTION on government,
the de jure 50 States of the Union lost there ability to pay their
debts, salaries, etc., resulting in either its bankruptcy, suspension
or whatever, and thus, the creation of "this State" (which has no
All I know it that I can no
longer access the Constitutional County Court of Record for the
People at the county of Dallas (see Texas Constitution, Art 5, Section
15, 17, et al.) whether due to the State being in bankruptcy, suspension,
If you can show me how any of
the "50 States of the Perpetual Union" can pay their debts (not
discharge them), I would be very interested in your input.
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2019,
Larry Becraft wrote:
Here is the huge flaw in your
reasoning: HJR 192, being a joint resolution, was a law.
It was published as a law in
the US Stats: 48 Stat. 112. It does not have 2 aspects: one as a
resolution, and another as a law. When it was repealed, it was completely
You cannot do as you contend:
repeal the resolution, but not the law.
Tue 5/18/2010 5:55 PM
91 Stat 1229 is extremely conclusive.
Also, if there were Title 31
U.S.C. §5103 Frn's in circulation that would be lawful legal tender
seeing as how the were deemed to trade at the nominal exchange rate
of 50 to 1 US Gold Round.
Our brother in Amarillo, Tom
reminded me of that fact which I forgot. Although there are only
FRN's in circulation, which is internal business script, and actually
is the illusion of lawful legal tender, I now believe that HJR 192
is a dead and gone issue.
The fact that unlawful legal
tender is offered out and accepted by the residents is what perpetuates
It is just like your name.
The operators of "this state"
offer out to do business with you if you will accept the commercial
artificial person AVATAR as your name. 99.99999% do because it all
sounds the same. Cool Scam.
Harmon is on point: it is all
by agreed private obligations accepting the duties of fiduciary,
because as he says, no one goes to prison for a contract violation.
And all law moves by contract, but a fiduciary can be a penal violator.
And ´penal´ is civil keeping in conformance with F.R.C.P., Rule
State ex rel. McNamee v. Stobie and it just does not get any
simpler than that.
The FRN money, or credits on
account, is simply an offer and acceptance thing now. If you want
to stay in the communitarian welfare benefit trust called this state
and use FRN's then you can. It is voluntary.
If you want to loan the bank
the promissory and allow them to deposit the note as money credits
on account and fund the home loan deal with the money you created
for free and they get to multiply your deposit 9 times in their
bank and give you nada for the profits they are gonna make, and
then you want to pledge the house as the collateral to a 30 year
Deed of Trust contract obligating you to pay 3 times for the house,
then you can.
It is all voluntary.
Tue 5/18/2010 2:33 PM
Kevin Hines wrote:
As I read the various emails
on this subject [below] I noticed CLEARLY that Congress repealed
their JOINT RESOLUTION, but not the Statute at Large, i.e., "Chap
48, 48 Stat. 112".
Congressional resolutions apply
only to those who make them, i.e., Congress and their subjects only.
Plese consult my published write-up,
Repealed?", that I prepared several years ago on this subject
after getting email after email telling me that "HJR-192" had been
repealed. Yes, "HJR-192" was repealed, but "Chap. 48, 48 Stat. 112"
has NOT been repealed.
They can't repeal it as long
as there is _insufficient_ lawful money in circulation for the people
to use in their daily lives, and/or until they provide sufficient
gold and silver coin to the States to pay its debts, per U.S. Constitution
Art 1, Sec 10, Clause 1.
First of all thank you.
Finally proof that 48 Stat §
112 and § 113 are both dead and gone.
Now, what does it mean?
Well, my mind is racing with
thoughts of how to assert the fact that we have had our republic
back in full working order since 1982.
It is just that we have been
so confused that we stayed in the United States illusion of reality.
Like breeding thoroughbreds with zebras and hoping for more thoroughbreds.
Just because the shadow of a
zebra is the illusion of a horse, it ain't a horse. To write that
we be confused is understating the completeness of our disorientation.
This lawful money thing is/must
be a deal killer to all de facto administrative agencies and services
demanding payment in credits on account or FRN's. If the only lawful
tender is Federal Reserve Notes, FRN's, and the only stuff in circulation
is the illusion of lawful tender called FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES, FRN's,
then the de factos cannot collect on a demand for payment.
And, and this is huge -- a payroll
check which was obtained by a Texan, from the source in a state,
like Texas, on the dirt, and NOT in "this state" by the voluntary
equal value exchange of labor for a payroll check representing value
by lawful United States Dollar FRN notes manufactured into existence
and not borrowed into existence with interest and IRS use taxes
due on them like are the FRN's means that once again the private
property of a man, his labor, will once again be untaxable.
Now, the question arises that
if the National Banking Associations like Bank of America, Chase,
Wells Fargo, etc., cannot cash a payroll check into lawful legal
tender FRN's, then could the bank be considered insolvent and reportable
to the Treasury and the Department of the Treasury... if the bank
is out of balance, then it is not in full status and capacity and
not abiding by its charter for providing both FRN's for people on
the dirt of the state, and FRN's for 'US persons' who are 'residents
of this state'.
Even back in 1969 when I worked
in a bank, the comptroller told me that a bank is an interesting
creature in that it has a commercial public face and a private internal
operation actually separate from the commercial side.
I did not understand what he
meant until now.
But the banks are now all chartered
out of the illusion, the United States, so why would the banks be
expected to have real lawful legal tender FRN money available?
In any case we have had back
our Republic since the year 1982 and I did not even know it.
Law runs with the money. If
you have lawful money trading at par, then you have access to Law.
If the FRN's are issued without
interest and use tax, and deemed tradable at par, then there should
be access to real law and there should be a way a man can reject
the public policy courts of this state and demand law from a Texas
Constitution Article 5, Section 15 law court in de jure county of
the state. (See Texas Constitution Article 11, Sec 1 for definition
of "this state" being a legal subdivision of "the state.")
The emergency is over. Been
over!!! We never even recognized it.
Larry, a question... either
by presentment of law/legal argument and demand for rebuttal, or
in court, how can we now enforce the elimination of tax, debt, and
fines and fees collection until 31 U.S.C. § 5103 lawful legal tender
is re-introduced at large into society?
Can contracts and private obligations
be written specifying that only the lawful legal tender FRN, spelling
specific, as specified at 31 U.S.C. § 5103 is acceptable for the
retirement of the debt of the contract or private obligation?
On Thu, May 13, 2019 at 4:35
PM, ([email protected]?subject=91 STAT. 1229) Larry
What does the below mean to
91 STAT. 1229:
(c) The joint resolution entitled "Joint resolution to assure
uniform value to the coins and currencies of the United States",
approved June 5, 1933 (31 U.S.C. § 463), shall not apply to
obligations issued on or after the date of enactment of this
That section is posted here:
([email protected]?subject=HJR 192-discussion )Larry
Thu 5/13/2010 2:18 PM
(mailto:[email protected]?subject=HJR 192 discussion)
Lewis Mohr wrote:
Dear Larry: I have spent 2 days
now analyzing all that I can find about this debauched money issue
and I find that the crafty mamzur kenite descendants of Cain as
memorialized at Genesis 38 verse 2 have indeed repealed 48 chap
113, but surreptitiously allowed chap 112 to continue into the now
See the last page of the above
attachment where the list of amendments and repeals are published
and you will see the deceptive trade practice that is intended to
make us think that 112 was repealed. It was not.
The illusion of money a.k.a.,
"FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES" and credit on account created by depositing
promissory notes, and the settlement of those bank created credits
through Department of the Treasury by the Accept for Value money
order with draft instructions remains the only valid discharge for
all debt claim presentments made to one of us people posterity heirs,
"Texans" here in Texas as per 26 C.F.R. § 301.6109-1(g), by any
commercial agent spawn of Satan from any agency or service of "the
United States" communitarian welfare benefit trust, a.k.a., "The
Now you know Dante was wrong
about the burning in hell thing. However, when I see this kind of
deception coming out of the spawn of Satan in Washington, DC and
"The City" of London directed appointed officials, well I wish that
I could shove a 1 inch diameter rod of re-bar up the rectum of the
scum who write this kind of deception and right out of his mouth
and chuck him up onto a rotisserie over the steel making blast furnace
of hell and watch the mamzur dehydrate.
Of course we start the process
with the mamzur spawn of Satan still being alive.
You know Law is very specific.
In these four items (which I got from
and elsewhere), and for which compilation I did not want to waste
time attempting to do a better job, and for the purpose of this
email said attachments are just fine, the author makes an incorrect
but 'a spawn of Satan intended presumption'.
Federal Reserve Notes Not Legal Tender
Wells Fargo Note pay to the order of...
example note with pay to the order of to the bank without recourse
example note with pay to the order of
If 112 ain't there in the repeal
list, then it ain't there and we can make no presumption.
What say any of you??
Larry and Kevin, I know that
you two know more about this issue than anyone else. And Larry you
know that there are a plethora of case opinion establishing that
law is exact and that we cannot presume the Congress intended to
do any more than what they published in the chapters of the statute.
Are we being deceived again
by the spawn of Satan who operate the de facto administrative government
called "The Matrix"?
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:32:00 -0500
From: Larry Becraft
Often, laws must be read in full and in context in order to properly
understand them. The "public policy" you reference that is mentioned in
HJR 192 appears to be explained in the first part of HJR 192:
"Whereas the holding of or dealing in gold affect the public interest,
and therefore subject to proper regulation and restriction; and
"Whereas the existing emergency has disclosed that provisions of
obligations which purport to give the obligee a right to require payment
in gold or a particular kind of coin or currency of the United States,
or in an amount of money of the United States measured thereby, obstruct
the power of the Congress to regulate the value of money of the United
States, and are inconsistent with the declared policy of the Congress to
maintain at all times the equal power of every dollar, coined or issued
by the United States, in the markets and in payment of debts."
Thus the "public policy" you mention is the Congressional desire to
"regulate the value of money of the United States" and "to maintain at
all times the equal power of every dollar, coined or issued by the
United States, in the markets and in payment of debts."
You may read HJR 192 here:
[Ed. Note; Also see below.]
But of course, those are merely empty words of Congress; they are really
lies. Congress today exercises its constitutional monetary powers only
to provide this country with minor coins like pennies and quarters,
which themselves are debased. It coins no "dollars" and allows an
interstate monster, the Fed and organized banking, to monopolize credit
and force us to use only bank credit as a medium of exchange. That
Congressional cabal has erected a "weapon for quiet wars" designed to
enslave the American people.
However, people are incorrect to think of HJR 192 in terms of some
national bankruptcy. It was just one step, and a big one, in the war of
fiat paper against specie carried out by the friends of paper money.
That is exactly what HJR 192 was.
Larry Becraft wrote:
HJR 192 and its legal
There is no substantive difference
at the federal level between a legislative bill that gets enacted
into law and a joint resolution that gets enacted into law. A simple
explanation of this fact is published on the Net here:
And there are several US Supreme
Court cases so holding. Joint resolutions are different from simple
resolutions, which are not law. If Congress enacts a joint resolution
and the Prez signs it, it is as much of a federal law as a bill
that gets enacted into law.
HJR 192, even though it was
a joint resolution, was enacted by Congress and signed by the Prez,
thus it became a law. As a law, it was published in the US Stats
at Large, and the volume and page of the Stats where it was published
is 48 Stat. 112, ch. 48. If you want access to the entire Volume
48 of the Stats, go here:
After you download this huge
file (which is also word searchable) go to page 112, and look at
the “sidebar” on the left of the page and you will see that this
is HJR 192. I recognize that some contend that HJR 192 is not a
public law, but this contention is simply wrong.
For the last several years,
there have been lots of arguments based on HJR 192 that have floated
thru the movement, some contending that it constitutes some sort
of remedy for us today. But legal history shows otherwise. Shortly
after the seizure of gold during the FDR era, several lawsuits were
in fact filed and 3 made their way to the Supremes: Norman, Nortz
and Perry. See below quote from my money issue brief. In these cases,
attacks were made on HJR 192 and other relevant legal documents
related to the seizure of gold, but the Supremes essentially gave
no remedy to these litigants. I would suggest that interested students
read these 3 cases. To contend today that we have some sort of remedy
embodied within HJR 192 would require reversing these cases.
Frankly, I am not concerned
about HJR 192 because it was effectively repealed via a law Congress
adopted in Oct. 1997. See 91 Stat. 1229. In the very last section
of this law, it is stated that HJR 192 will not apply to obligations
issued after this law becomes effective. This law’s operation has
been the subject of several cases that I have posted on my website.
See below. For the last 33 years, HJR 192 has been meaningless to
Americans and is nothing more than part of the legal history of
that extremely important legal topic, money.
I know that what I say here
will not be well received by many who have learned wild arguments
about HJR 192. The simple fact of the matter is that many gurus
have spread crazy arguments about HJR 192 and gullible people have
(without investigation or research) swallowed these arguments, “hook,
line and sinker”. I just hope that people learn from this experience
and will in the future require that gurus promoting certain arguments
prove them. Some people approach life with the attitude that "if
it sounds good I will do it", and I just hope that other people
start demanding that the gurus prove their arguments before convincing
innocents to act upon them.
But my act of clarifying this
issue regarding HJR 192 should not be construed as indicating that
I am supportive of our current monetary system. My undergrad degree
was in economics and I fully understand this system. The present
credit system we have and use as “money” is anti-constitutional
and has been erected to transfer the wealth of the American people
to the elite operators of this system. My web site is mostly devoted
to the money issue and I have posted lots of substantive and important
educational materials there:
I encourage students to read
Gouge’s Short History that I scanned and had Devvy
post on her website, which is linked from mine.
I believe in specie, not social
credit. One problem caused by the operation of this credit system
is that the masters of this system pushed out (by hook and crook)
real, public money so that, of necessity, we have to use this private
credit as a medium of exchange. We need to advocate the principle
expressed in Marigold; see quote appearing below.
PS: A dollar is a silver dollar.
As a direct and proximate result
of the far reaching changes made in monetary law in 1933 and 1934,
litigation on these points arose.
The 3 major Supreme Court decisions
made as a consequence were
Norman v. Baltimore and O. R. Co. , 294 U.S. 240, 55 S.Ct. 407
Nortz v. United States, 294 U.S. 317, 55 S.Ct. 428 (1935), and
Perry v. United States, 294 U.S. 330, 55 S.Ct. 432 (1935).
Norman, supra, dealt with a
railroad bond payable in gold coin; Norman sought payment of $38.10
on a bond payable in the amount of $22.50, his basis for asking
for more arising from the change made in the statutory gold dollar.
Seeing the inherent justice in denying relief to a person seeking
more than he was entitled, the Supreme Court in Norman denied the
In Nortz, a plaintiff seeking
similar relief got similar judgment as Norman. Nortz had $106,300
in gold certificates and was forced to exchange the same for inconvertible
currency of the light standard. Based upon a higher market value
of gold than legal value of the same, Nortz instituted suit to recover
$64,334.07, the alleged difference between the market price of gold
and the legal price. The Court denied his request for unjust enrichment.
In Perry, the issue concerned
a federal gold bond and the method of its payment in light of the
June 5, 1933, Joint Resolution. Although the Court in Perry held
the Joint Resolution to be unconstitutional insofar as it applied
to federal bonds, it ultimately determined that Perry had neither
alleged nor proven any damage in his breach of contract action and
was therefore not entitled to any. In this trilogy of cases, all
parties were seeking a gain or benefit as a result of the monetary
changes caused by the President and Congress.
The Joint Resolution of June
5, 1933, has no significance today because it has been effectively
91 Stat. 1229.
For cases explaining the end
of HJR 192's application in 1977, and the validity of gold clause
contracts today, see
Fay Corp. v. BAT Holdings I, Inc., 646 F. Supp. 946 (W.D.Wash.
Fay Corp. v. Frederick & Nelson Seattle, Inc., 896 F.2d 1227
(9th Cir. 1990),
Wells Fargo Bank v. Bank of America, 32 Cal.App.4th 424, 38
Cal.Rptr.2d 521 (1995);
Trostel v. American Life & Casualty Insurance Company, 133 F.3d
679 (8th Cir. 1998);
Nebel, Inc. v. Mid-City National Bank, 329 Ill. App.3d 957,
769 N.E.2d 45 (2002); and
216 Jamaica Ave. v. S & R Playhouse Realty Co., 540 F.3d 433
(6th Cir. 2008).
This is what I call the Marigold
principle, based on
United States v. Marigold, 50 U.S. (9 How.) 560, 567-68 (1850)
"They appertain rather to the execution of an important trust
invested by the Constitution, and to the obligation to fulfill
that trust on the part of the government, namely, the trust
and the duty of creating and maintaining a uniform and pure
metallic standard of value throughout the Union. The power of
coining money and of regulating its value was delegated to Congress
by the Constitution for the very purpose, as assigned by the
framers of that instrument, of creating and preserving the uniformity
and purity of such standard of value * * *.
"If the medium which the government was authorized to create
and establish could immediately be expelled, and substituted
by one it had neither created, estimated, nor authorized,
one possessing no intrinsic value, then the power conferred
by the Constitution would be useless, wholly fruitless of
every end it was designed to accomplish. Whatever functions
Congress are, by the Constitution, authorized to perform, they
are, when the public good requires it, bound to perform; and
on this principle, having emitted a circulating medium, a standard
of value indispensable for the purposes of the community, and
for the action of the government itself, they are accordingly
authorized and bound in duty to prevent its debasement and expulsion,
and the destruction of the general confidence and convenience,
by the influx and substitution of a spurious coin in lieu of
the constitutional currency."
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HJR 192 (House Joint Resolution 192)
Back in the mid-80s, I wrote
a brief about the money issue which I have posted here:
I address the matter of House
Joint Resolution 192 in that brief. Simply put, HJR 192 is no longer
in effect. But perhaps the best discussion of HJR 192 appears in
Edwin Vieira's Pieces of Eight, the bible
of the money issue.
While there are popular arguments
about HJR 192, the simple fact of the matter is that it is not now
in effect and has not been for 33 years.
Subject: Re: Redemption Manual
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:07:00
From: Lewis Mohr
To whom it may concern:
Recent revelations about the
nature of the all capitalized name and all numbers associated with
the all caps commercial AVATAR indicates that no one can claim to
be the secured party for a thing and all numbers associated with
that thing that does not exist, and which said thing was actually
created by, and belongs to, "the United States."
There is absolutely no private
security obligation agreement that contains the verified signature
of a commercial agent from "this state" or "the United States" agreeing
to allow its property, i.e.: the all caps AVATAR, to be encumbered
by a claim from someone who is himself actually encumbered by the
presumption that he is a diminished capacity member of a communitarian
welfare benefit association and subject to benefits, meaning not
able to provide things for himself like school, buying a house with
gold, buying a car with gold, or self employment without an EIN/TIN.
Working for an employer who
has a TIN/EIN is a benefit.
Health insurance is a benefit.
Auto insurance is a benefit.
Sovereigns are always self insured.
Get it? -- Get it.
Only if you are a diminished
capacity member of the communitarian welfare benefit trust can you
apply for all those things offered by the trust and the largest
benefit used by almost all is borrowing credits of "the United States."
This offered information is
over 10 years
old and we have since learned and progressed 10´s of thousands of miles
past this old stuff.
may I say, don´t do any of it. If this
is a legitimate offer, then it is misguided.
If the offer comes from a contract
commercial agent, then it is an absolute and willful attempt to
lead astray those newly awakened and who are in search of more light.
Now, the accounts are already
established because that is part of the scam that makes legal that
you voluntarily gave up your God-granted immemorial rights and all
your energy now and in the future to be given over to the communitarian
trust and for that transaction to be a legal transaction you must
receive something in return. Look up the four tenets of simple contracting.
What you received in return
is that all of your debts are paid.
Learn how to cause the credits
to be moved on the accounting books and order them moved.
That is it. All this 'UCC 1' and
'power of attorney' stuff is not necessary.
Now, you can steal a property
through copyright, but we only had a few years of success with that
until the BAR Association members all agreed that the copyright
part of international law would be uniformly ignored when applied
to a smart people who figured out the scam in this state.
The money thing is easy to figure
out. Look at it this way.
If you privately agree with
3 other people, like a county judge, a governor, and a president,
to play MONOPOLY® then you got to use MONOPOLY® money
and pick out a little AVATAR, like a thimble thing [AVATAR
= your all caps
spelled name. Your normal spelled name will be converted and provided for you by the commercial agents
from "this state" because they know you don´t know that their deceptive
similar sounding and appearing named system cannot deal with people
and so the commercial agents from this state just ´beens heppin' u
out´ by creating a commercial artificial person AVATAR for you]
to represent you on the game board.
Now even if you have access
to a RISK® game you cannot use RISK money at the MONOPOLY®
Therefore when you sign on to
play "the United States" its money is 'FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES' and
credits on account.
Even if you have Silver Certificates
and United States Notes from The United States of America, they
are no longer good at the 'United States game board' because silver
certificates and United States Notes are only good at the game board
for 'The United States of America' and we ain't playing that game anymore.
Forget HJR 192. It don´t apply
The only thing that applies
is contracts known as private obligation agreements, which are extra-constitutional
and very lawful and very legal because the constitution gives you
the unlimited right of contracting in commerce. See F.R.C.P., Rule 2,
all actions are CIVIL ACTIONS. Period.
Therefore, for whatever game
to which you signed up and agreed to play, with or without full
disclosure, then you must use the money that goes with that game.
In the game called "the United States" we have "credits on account."
Folks, - once you get through
all the obfuscation - this illusion of reality that has replaced real
reality is pretty easy to figure out. The Matrix is very, very real.
On Fri, Apr 30, 2019 at 4:08
PM, Jeff Anderson wrote:
On June 5, 1933, Congress passed
House Joint Resolution (HJR 192) which suspend the gold standard
and abrogated the gold clause in the national constitution. Since
then no one in America has been able to lawfully pay a debt.
The Redemption Manual 4th Edition
will teach you about the process that will take you from being A
DEBTOR SLAVE ON THE PLANTATION to a SECURED PARTY CREDITOR - and
that is quite a LEAP!
This is the latest, ‘Updated
Edition' of the original Redemption Manual which was the FIRST BOOK
that covered the complete redemption process. Here you will learn
the fundamentals necessary to REDEEM your Strawman and take control
of your DEBTOR and all property by filing a security interest and
allow you to establish the standing and capacity as a Secured Party
Creditor. It is the HOW TO BOOK that will teach you; What redemption
is (commercially and from a ‘Biblical perspective), all about the
Accepted for Value Process, How Corporations fit into the scheme
of things, Public Education, the Monetary System, the Republic,
Money Creation and Banks, Your Mirror Image, and HJR-192.
It will walk you through the
beginning documents set-up; show you how to file your UCC-1 to become
the Secured Party/ Creditor and how to charge back to the Secretary
of Treasury your birth certificate to ‘charge-up’ your UCC Contract
Trust Account with simple forms and instructions. You will also
be shown how to ‘do your own’ Security Agreement, Power of Attorney,
Copyright Notice, Hold-Harmless Agreement, UCC-1 and UCC-3 to take
back control of your, ‘Debtor/‘Straw-man’ and all of the collateral
Additional ‘educational and
reference material’ is also included, plus the forms you need.
House Joint Resolution 192, same item -
3 different presentations: