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the pin number is 947975#.
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It would be best
if you mute your phone when you first come on, then un-mute it when
you want to talk and then re-mute it.
You can use the
*6 button on your phone or use the phone’s mute button
and cell phones are not desirable as they can chop up the call badly
If you are recording
the call and leave the phone unintended, please mute!!!!!
Note, on October
30th someone left the phone un-muted and coupled television audio
into the phone making the conference call conversations very difficult.
When you are
not muted be careful of making noise such as breathing hard into
the phone’s microphone or rubbing the mouthpiece or not reducing
extraneous noise across the room. Cell phones can pick up wind noise
when used outside and also if not in a primary reception zone can
couple noise into the call.
and noise will terminate the conference call.
Cell phones and
speaker phones can cause echoes.
Keep the call
quiet, don’t make Howard climb out of his mailbox and bop you one.
[Dan] Hey Howard,
Dan in Detroit. Do you see any advantage to getting the judge’s
oath of office and enter it into…
you ask me this question a week or two ago?
[Dan] I don’t believe
so or I don’t recall your response.
it may not have been you; it might have been somebody else but I
made the same response every time. What the hell difference does
his oath of office make? Nobody’s going to prosecute him even if
he doesn’t have one.
[Dan] Ok, well,
as the theory was that he would just understand that you were paying
attention, that you knew what his oath of office was and you would
be aware if he went outside of it there might be ramifications just
giving him judicial notice and a copy of this oath of office. Just
put him on alert that you are not timid and without knowledge.
there’s a bunch of people around this country that for twenty-five
years have been promoting that bull crap and it’s never done anybody
any good. We took an opposite approach. I don’t care if he’s got
an oath of office. I don’t care if you can’t even find one on file
for him and in most cases you’re going to find out there isn’t one
on filed but if there is one the wording in it is not in according
with the Constitutional mandates of what the wording is supposed
to be. So those oaths don’t mean anything.
[Dave] And it’s
not recorded where the law says it’s supposed to be.
that’s the other thing too, it’s often not recorded where it’s supposed
be recorded, so who cares? You know what we did? We took the opposite
approach. We presumed that he has a legitimate oath and we accepted
the Constitution and his oath and handed him a little document that
says ‘we accept the Constitution of the United States, the Constitution
of this state—whatever the state may be and there’s a blank there
for you to fill in your name—and the oath to those constitutions
to the above named person’ and if they don’t operate within the
limitations of those constitutions and their oaths we will hold
them liable for breach of contract. I’ll tell you what, that document
has been very effective with judges. We’ve had good results using
that in a lot of cases. In some cases, again, people can’t even
explain it because I don’t think they even read the stupid document.
They probably didn’t even fill it in correctly. There’s a couple
of blanks on there that have to be filled in to make it suit your
state. And I’m sure some people didn’t do it correctly and they
may not have had very good results. But a lot of other people have
done it right and had very good results. As a matter of fact, some
judges have used things out of the Constitution to control the case
that we never even thought of using. The judge knew more about it
than we did and he got rid of cases—he just threw them out of the
court in order not to be held under breach of contract. Holding
him to his oath of office doesn’t mean a damned thing but that oath
is a contract and the Constitution is a contract between government
and the people and if they don’t uphold that contract then they’re
in breach of the contract and it’s a real easy lawsuit. As a matter
of fact, that’s basically what the Fair Debt Collection Practice
Act suits are, they’re for breach of the contract. The government
has to abide by their Constitution and the laws made thereunder.
The Fair Debt Collection Practice Act is one of the laws made thereunder
and when they violate that act they’re liable for breach of that
act which is breach of the contract. I would fool with this silliness
and I don’t recommend fooling with this silliness of getting their
oath of office and shoving their oath in their face or something
because all that does is make them angry. They’re still not going
to abide by it because you haven’t put them in a position of being
liable for not having an oath or for not abiding by the oath. But
the document that we made up accepting the oath and the Constitution
and holding them liable for breach of contract does put them in
a position of future liability, liability for breach of their contract.
There’s a lot of information, out here, floating around, an awful
lot of it on the internet that is poor or bad information. You have
to be very careful; you have to do a little bit of studying and
learn how things are really working and what things really are before
you’ll recognize how bad some of this information is. A lot of it’s
not going to do anything but get you in a lot of trouble.
[Dan] Howard, Dan
in Detroit again; I didn’t mean to agitate you…
[Howard] You didn’t
agitate me; I’m just repeating the same thing that I’ve said probably
for fifteen years about this oath stuff—over and over again I’ve
said it. It isnt’ going to do anything but make the judge angry.
You’re causing yourself trouble bring this kind of stuff up.
[Dan] That’s what
I thought, too, sir. Perhaps I can re-phrase the question. What
is the easiest way that you know of to get the judge to follow the
rules in the courtroom and uphold the Constitution and your rights?
What’s the simplest thing you know of to go about getting him to
follow the rules because the last appearance he was clearly biased
to the plaintiff and the Michigan attorney
general said the only choice I have is to lose and turn in the court
recording to the judicial tenure commission. So, I’m just trying
to find a solution to keep him in line on my next appearance.
[Howard] Now, in
there is this acceptance of the Constitutions and oath of office,
isn’t it, Dave? I think he can just download that, can’t he?
[Dave] No, he prints
out the mail order page and it’s one of the information packages
listed there on the mail order page.
[Howard] Ok, information
package. Print out the package, follow the directions and send it
in to People’s Rights and they will send you copies of this. It
even has some instructions with it as I remember. That will help
to keep the judge in line. That even helps to keep attorneys in
line and cops in line. There’s a lot of other information on
that will help you. There’s several information packages available.
There’s study courses available and this is research and information
that with a lot of other help I have put together—it isn’t all me—but
it was a lot of good help that I got from a lot of good people that
have worked in research and found things and helped me to find things
and we put this stuff together and Dave has put it on the website
and distributed it for people to learn.
[caller] Can I
give another quick website out?
; he explains the dollar and how fractional reserve banking works
and what’s happening and how the collapse is happening and so forth,
there; it’s a very good website.
a lot of people are really grasping the understanding of how this
works and putting information out. Surprising enough, some of this
information is actually coming out on the stock market channel.
If you’ve got satellite or cable TV and you can pick up the CNBC
news program for the stock market—not just their news program but
the stock market news program—that’s a different channel. Oh yeah,
they’re talking about a lot of this.
[caller] I got
a funny one yesterday. The sheriff sent me a letter telling me I
had a subpoena laying up at the office to come and pick it up. I
wanted your thought on that. Should I just go pick it up or should
I just let it sit up there?
[Howard] Have you
heard me teaching about ‘I don’t accept the offer; I don’t consent
to this proceeding’? Why would you accept the offer? He’s offering
to give you a subpoena which will get you into some kind of a case.
Why would you accept the offer?
exactly my thought.
was a fellow whose son got a traffic ticket and he had done some
of the things that we’ve told him to do and the traffic ticket is
just laying at the court. So the court sent him a letter and said
that if he would just respond and come in and sign some document
they would establish a date for a hearing—they’re making an offer
for you to come in so that they can follow this thing through because
he told them that he didn’t accept their offer in the first place.
So, they’re offering again. They’re just trying to trick you. I
told him, I said, ‘now, you can do what you want but I wouldn’t
go in and talk to them about it at all—just leave it alone, it’ll
die because they can’t do anything until you consent and accept
their offers. Ninety-nine percent of what goes on in this world
of commerce is an offer. Very little is mandatory that you really
have to do. You got to breathe, you got to eat, and sometimes you
got to do a little bit of work to make enough money to be able to
eat and you got to stay warm in the winter. You don’t have to stay
cool in the summer because you can always get cool by stepping under
a tree or something or into the shade. You don’t need cooling but
you do need heat in the winter time. So there are a few necessities
in life that require that you do some things. All the rest of the
stuff is nothing but an offer. You didn’t need a damned television
set. You don’t need a car. You only think you need these things
but there’s an offer out there, come and buy a car. You can get
it for ten dollars down or no down payment at all today in some
cases. That’s an offer. You fall for it and you put yourself in
these positions of being a debtor. You don’t have to do these things.
There’s nothing requiring them—it’s desire and greed that causes
people to get into these things.
[Dave] Just like
those farmers that the grandparents owned the farm free and clear
and some slick talking salesman convinced the farmer he had to buy
this brand new tractor with hot and cold running water and headphones
and cable TV and he lost the family farm.
I think that gentleman with the subpoena, I think he should get
the subpoena and write on it, ‘I do not consent; I do not accept
the offer,’ and make sure he writes the date in the center of that
whole phrase somewhere because that’s what happened to me. The sheriff
came past the house allegedly; he put my name on the subpoena and
summons. I never received it and it was for my husband. Nobody ever
answered it because nobody ever received it and this attorney proceeded
for a whole year and had us in default. So, it’s best for him to
get that subpoena, put on the subpoena, ‘I do not accept the offer;
I do not consent; I demand indemnification,’ and don’t put the date
in the bottom because these attorneys love to cut and paste to make
something appear that doesn’t exist. Put the date in the center
of that phrase somewhere where that attorney can’t cut and paste
that date away from that phrase and then send it back to…
that would be the second thing that I would do. But I wouldn’t go
get it just because he said it was laying there.
do anything if you don’t do anything.
you’ll get something in the mail sooner or later saying that they
did something and that’s when you should take the action that you’re
talking about. Upon the first offer to come into the office and
pick it up I wouldn’t go into the office and pick it up. That’s
not the way service is supposed to be done if you read the rules
of service. The sheriff is supposed to deliver it to you personally.
If he doesn’t then there is no case. And we managed to argue this
and have them redo cases.
you’re exactly right, Howard, because this attorney he put the judgment
in, he threw it, forced it in, and now he’s trying to do everything
right sending it certified. But in the meantime he has….on my husband
with a suspended license from that judgment. And then I had the
five pages of the same judgment with five different dates on it,
so what’s the true judgment? …anything they want to do; I had to
go buy the rule books to find out what the hell’s going on.